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Comments on: Introduction to the よむよむ文庫 レベル別日本語多読ライブラリー (Reading Collection: Graded Japanese Extensive Reading Library) series https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/ Working towards 三国志, one picture book at a time Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:03:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.8.9 By: Zach Sarette https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/#comment-4641 Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:03:53 +0000 https://joechip.net/extensivereading/?p=706#comment-4641 Hey! Great news! I found the graded readers here in Korea! They are made in Korea too! They are about 11,000 won 13,000 won (maybe $8 – $10?) which is actually super cheap compared to the prices you see elsewhere. I didn’t go to Japan yet to check out the prices of them there. Maybe they are at a similar price or maybe they are more expensive. There were only a few levels at the book store so I bought all that I could. They were just missing a few parts from the series.

I can see for a complete beginner this would be a bit hard to read. But after a few beginner textbooks and learning some of the basic characters, one should be able to attack the level 0 and 1 books.

I read a few level one books on the bus ride home from the bookstore. They are so cool! I really like reading these! It’s so enjoyable it’s embarrassing! The “女の子” book is pretty creepy and sad, but it has a happy ending.

I was skimming through one of the level three books and level 4 books and was pleasantly surprised I could understand a lot. Not everything, and not at a fluent pace. But still. I have more confidence now than before.

That’s all for now. Time for a bit more reading before bed.

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By: Liana https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/#comment-808 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:23:32 +0000 https://joechip.net/extensivereading/?p=706#comment-808 I did start taking a look at some of the books on EhonNavi – there do seem to be a couple that could be read without much prior vocabulary. There’s もこもこもこ http://www.ehonnavi.net/ehon/130/%E3%82%82%E3%81%93%E3%82%82%E3%81%93%E3%82%82%E3%81%93/ which is all onomatopoeia, and http://www.ehonnavi.net/ehon/27788/%E3%81%82%E3%81%84%E3%81%86%E3%81%88%E3%81%8A%E3%81%B9%E3%82%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%86/ あいうえおべんとう, an alphabet book centered around food. (I guess the right term wouldn’t be “alphabet”… Heh, I’m tired ^^;; Will figure it out later.) I’ll write reviews of the books I read — EhonNavi is a great resource, but since you’re only supposed to be able to read them once, it’s even more important than usual to know if you’ll get anything out of it!

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By: Cosmo https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/#comment-806 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 22:13:02 +0000 https://joechip.net/extensivereading/?p=706#comment-806 In reply to Liana.

Thanks for the input. I will concentrate on finishing heisig and building up some vocabulary before I dive in to tadoku.

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By: Liana https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/#comment-800 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 06:42:31 +0000 https://joechip.net/extensivereading/?p=706#comment-800 The problem I’ve found with even the most basic word books for native speakers is that they introduce words that just plain old aren’t that useful for language learners at the most basic level. That’s because the little Japanese kid learning to read already knows most of those words and is connecting what he or she knows to the written word, but the learner is getting both the new vocabulary and the reading practice at once. I’ve seen a lot of picture books based around the hiragana syllabary, and since the authors have to choose words that start with the desired hiragana, are ones that kids know and that are easily illustrated, they end up having a lot of rather advanced nouns. I’ve even seen one picture book that was nothing BUT a single hiragana character and a picture to go with it on each page (that is, the picture wasn’t labeled). It might seem like it couldn’t possibly get any simpler than that… but at least half of the pictures were cultural-specific words that a Japanese kid would know immediately, but a language learner wouldn’t.

I also think that just a little context helps you retain a word and remember how it’s used, too, so even just putting a word in a super simple sentence in a super simple story is probably better than having it alone on the page, scattered among a bunch of other single words. Dictionaries or illustrated encyclopedias often seem to me to have a sort of information overload problem, and of course it would be likely be a pretty specialized kind of information. At that level, you could probably re-read the book multiple times, kind of like what a kid might do, but it seems to me like a more structured vocabulary study would be more efficient for a learner at that level.

With that said, I haven’t read very many books that are that basic — maybe about a dozen. I’d like to spend time looking at more, maybe there are some good ones that would be worth the money (and there might be some on EhonNavi for free?)

I think tadoku with authentic materials is, unfortunately, not accessible if you don’t already have a fairly wide base of vocabulary; most of the Japanese tadokists I know or read about have had a fair amount of exposure to English through their education (although many if not most of them report that they disliked English and weren’t good at it before tadoku, they still did probably have some latent vocabulary). They also have the benefit of access to a lot of graded readers, many even simpler than the level 0 Japanese graded readers linked to here; those things just simply don’t exist in English yet. If they did, it’d be a different story. As it is, I’d say that if you’re interested in tadoku, start with the kind of basic vocabulary you’d need if you wanted to study for the lowest JLPT level.

Good luck! I will keep thinking about it, too.

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By: Cosmo https://joechip.net/extensivereading/2011/08/09/introduction-to-the-%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e3%82%88%e3%82%80%e6%96%87%e5%ba%ab-%e3%83%ac%e3%83%99%e3%83%ab%e5%88%a5%e6%97%a5%e6%9c%ac%e8%aa%9e%e5%a4%9a%e8%aa%ad%e3%83%a9%e3%82%a4%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/#comment-799 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 03:48:16 +0000 https://joechip.net/extensivereading/?p=706#comment-799 Looking at those pages of the level zero, I am at like a -2 my katakana and kanji are not functional at all and I have a vocabulary of only like 50 words or something if it is in hiragana. I am trying out a version of AJATT so I am still slowly plowing through RTK and trying to immerse myself. Should someone like me interested in tadoku wait to get more vocabulary after finishing heisig or start with word books similar to Richard Scary’s word books? Are there word books with CDs?

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